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Fuel the Fire: From Setback to CEO Without Looking Back

Dionne Malush

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What does it take to rise from loss, doubt, and pressure — and still lead with heart, grit, and unshakable purpose? In this episode, we dive into the remarkable story of an entrepreneur who turned grief into growth, adversity into ambition, and a dream into a national franchise.

You’ll hear the truth behind the hustle — from teaching martial arts at 13 to building a six-figure business, facing the terrifying leap from personal trainer to CEO, and learning to lead even when everything feels like it’s falling apart. This episode is about betting on yourself, living with intention, and building a legacy not by accident, but by design.

If you've ever questioned your path, feared you weren’t “ready,” or needed a reminder that you're capable of more, this is the mindset shift you've been waiting for.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Shine on Success where we go beyond the surface to uncover what it really takes to rise. Today's guest is a living example of turning pain into purpose From teaching martial arts at 13, to building a six-figure business from scratch, to becoming a CEO of a national fitness franchise, without ever forgetting where he came from. He's the host of the Mindset Cafe and the founder of Strive 11 Fitness, but more than that, he's someone who's faced loss, battled doubt and turned adversity into fuel. Please welcome Devin Gonzalez. Hi Devin, how are you today?

Speaker 2:

I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you're so welcome, and so my opening question normally is this and I love this because I think we can get to know you a little bit better just from this. So what is one thing you wish more people understood about your journey that they'd never see on a highlight reel?

Speaker 2:

It's not easy, as easy as it may seem, and I think that's, you know, so important. Because people see like the tip of the iceberg, or see people see where you're at now and they don't realize that you were just like them at one point. Or you were at the starting point at one point and you did 18 hour days and you know there were sleepless nights and all those things people don't account for. And then they see the success and like wow, you're so lucky that you got this. And it's like luck wasn't really there at midnight when I was still working.

Speaker 1:

No, there is no luck about that. I mean lucky that we could stay awake that long, I guess. Right, I'm lucky we had the drive to do it, so I love that. Thank you for sharing that. So, 13 years old, you started as a martial arts instructor. What was driving you back then, and was there a struggle behind the scenes?

Speaker 2:

I mean I was working, but I didn't necessarily need to work, it was just the opportunities presented to me. And the drive for me with that was, I mean, I got my black belt at the age of 13. That's when the opportunity presented itself. But before I got my black belt, you know, I was too old to be with younger kids and too young to be with older kids. But naturally it kind of gets rounded up.

Speaker 2:

So there was this mindset journey for myself, you know, at the age of 1213, where one of my coaches was doing one on one lessons with me and he was like Look, when you're going in there to spar and to fight, he's like you're getting beat up because you're scared to get beat up. He's like what's the worst going to happen if you just start to punch and kick back? He's like what's the worst that can happen Get beat up like you already are. And I was like I guess it makes sense when you say it like that and so you know all of why not just try right and being able to essentially give that to other kids or give that to other people that are looking to do that in martial arts. I mean it was a huge, you know feeling and reward that I got to see when they got to have that little light bulb moment.

Speaker 1:

That's great, and it's a great advice that he gave you at that young age and it just stayed with you, I'm sure, your whole life. I mean, what's the worst thing that could happen, right? We fail, oh well, just get back up and do it again, right? And that's what entrepreneurs do. We fail, and I failed quite a few times and I probably may still fail, but I hope not because I'm old now. So I was thinking about you and your youthfulness. It's so nice to hear your passion and I can just already, since your mindset is just so positive. So tell me about the hardest moment you faced on the way to becoming a CEO, and how did you push through when most people would have stopped?

Speaker 2:

I would say the hardest point was going from my personal training company to actually the brick and mortar gym, because with the, with the model and everything like that, I couldn't continue personal training. So it was essentially burn, burn the boats kind of. And not only was it okay, I'm going to try this out and I stopped doing what I was doing, but now there was, you know, over six figures invested into this as well. So it was like I burned the boat and I have a lot, you know, financially invested into it too. So that was the probably the biggest and scariest you know jump from just you know entrepreneur to you know CEO. But then I say the real one of the scariest steps I think, as entrepreneurs that already have a business, is hiring your first employee and like letting go of the reins a little bit and allowing your team to do the things that they're hired to do and capable of doing.

Speaker 1:

That is difficult and I can tell you, going through transplant and being the caregiver for my husband, for the last five weeks, you know I haven't been to the office. And I am fortunate because I've spent the last seven years building this to the point where we have people that I can depend on. And I'm fortunate because there's some people that their spouse is going through something like this and they have to leave and go to work. So you know that makes it easier. You know there's moments that, but it's harder on me because it's a lot. But you know I'd rather be here than not.

Speaker 1:

So I understand that employees are really important and they're hard to come by the ones that are super good. It took us getting through a lot of employees to get to the point where we are today, which is so awesome. So thank you for sharing that. So you lost your mom at a young age. I lost my dad at an old age. It hurt, no matter how old you are, but for you you're so young. So how did that shape the way you show up as a leader, a man and a mentor?

Speaker 2:

I mean I'm young in terms of when I lost her, but I mean it was four years ago now. You know four maybe, yeah, four years ago. And I think it kind of gave me that sense and that realization, because you everyone says, you know time is limited, you don't know what tomorrow brings. But that was like that, you know, kind of rock in the sand, like, look, time is, you never know what tomorrow brings. So it was realizing that anything that I'm going to do, I'm going to give it my full ability or full attention. Otherwise, why waste any time on it at all? Right, like, for me, that's even with my team, it's like if you're going to do something, you're going to show up and show up, otherwise don't show up, right, like. And so, having that mindset of realizing, you know, put all your effort in, but then, too, like, I only want to do things that align with my goals, my vision and what I personally like to do. Otherwise, you know, why are we spending time on it?

Speaker 1:

When, again, if this goals that you have, that you strive for so much more, and I love that because I was like you you know I've been an entrepreneur pretty much my entire adult life Losing my dad changed me, I can tell you. It definitely did, but it made me less fearful of death, which is something that took me 55 years to understand. Like I was always so afraid. I have a every day, which is hard because I'm sad inside, but I don't want to live like that every day, so I'm sure you understand that.

Speaker 2:

And I think that's where, like also, I had this like reinvention of, like legacy of what it meant to me, because a lot of people, especially as entrepreneurs, we figure that you know we're building this business, we're building this life and that's our legacy. But legacy to me really is just every moment that you've had with people and the stories that they tell about you. Like that is your legacy, right? So every interaction that you have any and I tell us, with our team, with our clients and stuff too, it's like you're leaving an imprint that is forever in that person's timeline, right? So make it a positive one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's great. So how do you turn adversity into advantage? You know, look at it. So I'm thinking about that point in your life. How did you shift that to an advantage?

Speaker 2:

For me.

Speaker 2:

I mean, the loss was I could sit and I can grieve and do those things and I mean, don't get me wrong, I did, you know, for a couple of days, but I need to just put my head down and work and that's just how I kind of get through things, not not bottling it up or anything, and that's just how I kind of subside with stuff.

Speaker 2:

And I think that that adversity of you know, people telling me that you need to slow down because of that whole thing, it's like listen, if that's how you do things, it by all means like I'm not going to tell you to do it, don't do it, you know. But anytime that you know there's been adversity or people have said you know you should take it easier, slow down, it's like that's maybe that works for you, any people that say that you can't do something for me, it's like I almost just take it up, take it and almost like put it as a chip on my shoulder and it's like just watch, you know, like, and that's I just use that kind of like that dark energy side, almost like Kobe Bryant with like the black Mamba kind of thing. That's just how I've gotten through things.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I'm with you. I think people say that to me a lot. You're, you know you're doing too much and I'm like you only live once. I'm doing everything I want to do, right. So this podcast actually came out of that. My dad dying was this creative side of me and I was a graphic designer before I owned the real estate brokerage and I have so much like pented up creativity. So when he died, I it just came out like it's everywhere I'm constantly creating now and I think it's a beautiful thing. I don't think it's something that I'm hiding away, like trying to hide away all these feelings. I love him dearly and I miss him like crazy, but he would. He'd love that happy side of me. He loved me in that you know that bright sunshine in his life, so why would I not want to be that still?

Speaker 2:

Right, no, 100%. And it's again. It's you gotta. You gotta do what you want to do and fill your cup, because, at the end of the day, no one else is going to fill your cup for you.

Speaker 1:

No, no. And then the loss like that. And then my mom moved in with us, which has been a whole different life, but you know we're getting, we're making it through it. And then my husband needs a liver transplant. He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, he doesn't do drugs and he had cirrhosis from diabetes. So it's a lot. I could be angry, right, but I'm not. I'm scared a little bit, you know, but I have faith and of course, I'm going to have fear because I love him and I want him to, you know, be healthy and have a good rest of his life. So, yeah, it's a lot, and I think I told you this before we go through these things so that we can teach others. And so you went through that. There'll be many people in your life in the future that you'll be able to help through that because of it. So a lot of people want to grow fast in business, but how do you keep your values intact as you scaled your drive 11 to a franchise? That's amazing.

Speaker 2:

How do you?

Speaker 1:

keep your values intact.

Speaker 2:

Making sure that you're not making long-term decisions for short-term problems. Right, and this is I mean I heard that somewhere and it did make a lot of sense because, let's say, your revenue is a little low this month and you want to bump up revenue, so you sell a product you normally don't sell, or you add a service and you're like we'll just do this to hit the goal. It's like, well, is that going to be a thing for the rest of the business? Otherwise, just figure out what the problem is and solve it. But then also not my biggest, because I own a gym, right, so it's not just putting a body on the floor, right, and talking about a team and everything that we're talking about earlier. It is hard to find quality trainers but at the same time, hiring a trainer just to have someone there actually does a worse for the business than having, you know, just a single trainer instead of two on the floor for a model right so it's like.

Speaker 2:

It's like really being careful on on your decisions. Is this going to fix the problem right now, or is this going to actually create more problems down the road?

Speaker 1:

That makes sense. So someone asked me this once and I always thought it was great what does leadership look like when everything goes wrong? Because I know that I can impact the entire company by how I walk in the room right. So everything's going wrong, you're having a crazy bad day. What do you look like as a leader in those moments?

Speaker 2:

What I look like now is definitely different from what I looked like when the first business first opened. Being the CEO or being the owner, like, your job essentially is to solve problems right. And once you understand that you're just, you welcome the problems because you realize that that's a part of the business or a part in your system and processes that just needs to be improved Right. And so, for me, now you know the trainers will come in or a manager will come in. This is going wrong, or you know this happened, ok, no problem. How are we going to solve it? Right? What are some ideas? Right?

Speaker 2:

And you, for me, I want my team thinking and not only relying on me, because then again, if something you know happens to like, let's say something like in your case, where you have to, you can't be in the business, well, your team needs to be able to make decisions that you've trained them over time to do, and so I want them thinking what the solution is, and even if it's a bad idea, I'm like, okay, how did you get to that idea? And then have them explain it and understand where they're coming from. But I completely see where you're going. Instead of going that direction, maybe let's shift a little bit this way, and this is why right, and so coaching them through that. But if I come in and I'm frantic and I'm like, oh my goodness, the business is burning down, like everyone is going to feed off that Now everyone's frantic and it makes the situation 10 times worse.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's great times. Worse yeah, that's great, Great advice. So tell me a little bit about your story. So we have questions for you. But I want to learn a little bit about you. How did you get to this point today?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was a personal trainer. And I started as a personal trainer because for martial arts instructor going to college, I was like well, this doesn't line up my schedule, so switched over to personal training. In my eyes it was a similar field, and you know it was, and I loved working out. And during college I was going to college for business management because I didn't know what I wanted to do. And then I was like wait, I can get a degree in kinesiology, like the study of human movement. I was like this is way more fun as a reference point.

Speaker 2:

I was just started accounting class and I was like I could learn about how the body moves instead of taking accounting like sign me up and so that I was doing a personal training and I always thought of it as a college job, which was the weird thing, because it, for me, it was like I can make my own schedule. I could do this whenever I want, take days off whenever I wanted. And then my parents were telling me you know, you need to get a career afterwards. So I started going the firefighter route because my dad was LAPD, you know, he was a police officer, and he said just anything but this.

Speaker 2:

I was like okay, well, firefighter, you know, and yeah, I started going that route and then it got to the point where it was like now I have to make a decision, I have to stop personal training to do the stuff to build a resume for firefighting. But I was like I'm already making six figures and I'm loving it. Why, why am I going to stop doing that? Make minimum wage as an EMT which I think they should get paid more but making minimum wage as an EMT just to build my resume so that one day, hopefully, I become a firefighter, right? I was like I think I'm just going to bet on myself on this and so went that route bet on myself, you know and kind of went up the ranks from corporate to private gyms and then, you know, went launch my own you know company for personal training. And then in the midst of that, I mean there was probably a five year span where, testing and trying out different models and how I wanted to open my own gym, I helped launch a prep school for middle school kids that did basketball. And then it was like, okay, help them build that. And I was like this isn't what I wanted to do, so still stepped away. And then it was like, okay, we got to.

Speaker 2:

I'm getting older, you know it's like I either take the take the leap now or I don't. And you know it just kind of went all in again. I think for me personally it's just I have to burn the boats to make it work and I don't advise that for everyone because that is probably one of the most stressful places to come from. But for me, like I've just known how I operate, and I know for me like that pressure builds diamonds, you know where, if I have too much leniency, it'll all procrastinate on it. I need it to be like 100% of just stress and it needs to be done now and that's when I do my best work.

Speaker 1:

You have wisdom beyond your age, Devin, I have to tell you it's. It's so nice to hear. Life is hard and you talked about imposter syndrome and I think any entrepreneur that doesn't have it is not telling the truth, because it's a real thing. So when you feel the most, how do you silence the voice?

Speaker 2:

I think. So I'll give you a little story on the imposter syndrome for me. I joined a business mastermind all business owners right and I moved up to the higher level group and we had a quarterly meetup in Rosarito, mexico, and so a lot of the guys there's only 30 of us in that group A lot of them didn't want to go to Mexico, so now there's like eight of us that showed up. So there's no really hiding in the back of the room when there's eight people. And so not only did I realize once I was there I am the youngest by age, but also my gym was the youngest business. And I was like, oh man, I was eight figure earners, seven figure earners, and I was like my gym has been open for two years, you know. And I was like, oh man, I was like, okay, like you know, go back to a room that day.

Speaker 2:

Then the next day it was breakouts where everyone had to talk about their business, give advice to each other, and so I had this thought. I was like, well, what if I've learned something that could help them in their business? I don't say I'm kind of doing them a disjustice, Like the worst that they're going to do is, you know, give me a pat on the head and be like nice try, kid, you know. And so I was like I'll be doing them a disservice. But then why do I feel like I'm not able to sit at this table with them, like they're business owners on paper? I'm a business owner, like all the things on paper.

Speaker 1:

I've checked the box on, you know and that's.

Speaker 2:

I think that's the thing is people realize is that someone starts off as a personal trainer, let's say, and they don't feel like their Instagram, you know influencer person they follow as as good as them, and so why you guys fit?

Speaker 1:

you check the same boxes, but you're, you're establishing this role as something that needs to be at this level, but in reality, there's a range to the same degree, same title. Yeah, makes sense, and if you are the smartest person in the room, you better run, because you're not going to learn much, right, you need to go in there and I love that. You did that. I love that you were in a mastermind I that's one of my favorite things about being an entrepreneur is learning from other people and then you can teach it right. You learn. It makes you better. There's ideas we never heard of. So, yeah, it's great. Mastermind is one of my favorite things and I take that away from all of my years of study and thinking. Grow Rich and Napoleon Hill and Andrew Carnegie and Napoleon Hill having their mastermind. I can't even imagine the brains in that, you know. So I love that. In fact, so wild. Just the other day I was on.

Speaker 1:

One of my friends has a podcast. He's the one that actually helped me with this and he was talking about having a board of directors and sometimes you think about people that may not even be here anymore and you think, well, it'd be great if I could get advice from them. So I went into AI and I built my board of directors inside of it, right. So I have this amazing board of directors. So I started asking questions the other day and I was like, wow, this is so good. It's like they're almost here, you know. And so the idea is I'm still learning from them. They've been gone for 100 years maybe, but I'm still able to learn because I love learning so that I can teach. So I'm excited to hear this one part, because I want to know all about the Mindset Cafe. What inspired you to do that and what's the episode that shook you the most?

Speaker 2:

So the Mindset Cafe was essentially originally it was called the Strive Tribe and we started it. You know, my former business partner and myself started it because it was like how many people read blogs, you know, versus listen to podcasts and I understand the SEO rankings and all that kind of stuff for blogging, but it's like time efficiency for us. You can record it real quick, post it up. But also we knew our members would be able to listen to it on their drive to the gym and so forth. So it started in that sense just as another you know value add to our members and our community. And then my business partner didn't really want to do it as much and so I was like, okay, I'll take it and I'll kind of transition it and realizing that you know, fitness and what we talked about in the gym isn't just about fitness itself, it's about it all starts with mindset. My belief is that everything in life begins and ends with your mindset. If you believe something's possible, it is. You don't believe it's possible, then it's not right. So that's, I would say, the reason why I've done it. And the reason why I continue to do it is because I've learned so much from other people's stories, like you said earlier, and I feel that you can condense your timeline success by learning and extracting the lessons that other people say right, or read from what people write. And so I think the one of the lessons that you know shook me the most.

Speaker 2:

I forget what episode. I think it's like 70, 75 or 77, with Justin Prince. It was his white belt mentality, right, and realizing that martial arts essentially there's, you know, white belt all the way up to black belt. And a lot of times in life we think that once we hit black belt, we know it all. We've, you know, hit the peak. But just like in martial arts, once you hit black belt, there's black belt first degree, second degree, third degree and so forth. That's when the real learnings really starts. And so if you approach everything in life as white belt mentality, like you know, I don't know, like teach me about this, right, and don't come in with this ego you learn so much more and you learn so much, you know so, so much more in depth on certain things, right. So I think that was one of the best episodes for me.

Speaker 2:

And then his other thing was events, responses and then outcomes. So everything happens to you in your day, like when you guys got that news with your husband. You know, for example, that that's an event right, you can't change that. But but your response to that event leads to an outcome right, and that outcome is someone else's event right? So if you get into a car accident, how you get out of that car let's say someone else hit you you couldn't change that how you get out of the car is your response and how you approach that person is your outcome. And basically, what is that outcome going to start the chain for them?

Speaker 1:

Wow, I love this conversation so much. So do you still have the Mindset Cafe Are? So? Do you still have the Mindset Cafe? Are you still doing that? Yeah, so that was a really important episode. But tell me a little bit about mindset in your daily habits. Like, is there something you do when you wake up every day, or are you just at this positive mindset all the time?

Speaker 2:

I mean, I don't believe anyone's in a positive mindset all the time, and if they say they are, I feel like they're lying right. There's self-doubt that creeps in, there's, you know, negative thoughts that creep in. But it's your ability to reframe and reshift yourself back to that positive side Right, Because your reality is your perception and your perspective of the world as you see it. But also your reality is every past event and how you view that past event, Right. So if you continue to look forward and you're seeing stuff in positive manner or an opportunistic mindset like, you'll see the opportunities, you'll see the good in a situation or the lesson in a situation versus everything is. You know woe is me, and you know you have this victim mentality on any little thing. But it's not easy to have a positive mindset all the time, right. And so I think it's one of those things where you catch yourself, you know, talking negatively to yourself, that you know maybe disbelief or I don't think that I could do this. You reshift it.

Speaker 2:

Why am I thinking that way? What? What led me to start thinking that way? And then you kind of solve the question for yourself, but on a daily basis, for me it's. I mean, I don't wake up and kind of just well, today is amazing. I wake up and you know, I just know that there's certain things I need to do and I just you know there's no one coming to save you. Right, Kind of mindset is how I operate. Right, Like you are the backup, Right, when people call you know they need backup, you are that person, essentially for the business. So who are you doing this for? What is your why? What is your purpose? But also my team, my team's family and everyone that we're impacting with our members. So that why is greater than how I feel today.

Speaker 1:

That's good. One of my mentors told me once about you know bad things are going to happen. You're going to have a bad day. He said. If you reframe it into okay, today's not working, I'm going to have a bad hour or bad minutes. I'm not going to let it go through the whole day and let it affect and take my whole day from me because it steals your joy. So you know, there's a lot of things that happen in this world. It's nobody gets out of here alive.

Speaker 1:

Number one and number two is that you don't get through it without stuff happening and if you can take and find the positive in every negative and learn the lesson from it, it's it's incredible opportunity and that's why I think I'm in this space that I am today. If I didn't know about personal development and I'm going through what I've been going through the last two years, I'm not sure how people make it through. I just am not. So that's what we do this for. I want people to learn from it and I want you to tell me did you write a book?

Speaker 2:

I did Money, muscle Mindset.

Speaker 1:

What a cool name. So tell me about that. What's the core message that you hope readers take away from that book?

Speaker 2:

So that book is essentially for aspiring gym owners. You know, personal trainers that want to become gym owners, or even gym owners that are currently trying to grow. But I'm a huge symbolism and analogy person, and so the first chapter and the last chapter are about mindset as an entrepreneur and as a gym owner. And, just like I said earlier, everything begins and ends with your mindset. So I felt it was only natural that the book would too, yes, and begins and ends with your mindset. So I felt it was only natural that the book would too yes. And then everything in the middle of it is essentially how do you find a location? How do you? You know, it's essentially a playbook for everything I wish I would have had opening my first gym and then throughout the book I mean, I'm not as good of a drawer as I am, you know, a talker but, I did.

Speaker 2:

I did hand draw a lot of like diagrams and stuff, you know, kind of referencing what I was saying. And then each chapter has a QR code with no, it's not a lead magnet, you don't have to input anything for it but each chapter has a video and then like downloadable templates to go along with what I was talking about in the chapter.

Speaker 1:

That is really cool. How many franchises do you have?

Speaker 2:

We have two besides our corporate location. We have two, and then we have two more that should be opening or becoming official within the next couple of months.

Speaker 1:

What is your goal? A hundred within the next five to seven years. That's amazing. Did you ever hear of a vivid vision? So there's a guy named Cameron Harold. He created a book called Vivid Vision and last year I put together this amazing document about my life and what I want in my life, and just listening to you makes me think that this would be something that you would love to do and to share your life, of what you want to have in your life. And if you have a minute to look it up, I think it would be awesome, because it's amazing to hear you have such great goals. And you talked a little bit about legacy earlier. So the legacy you want to leave, not just as a business owner, but as a man, what is that legacy?

Speaker 2:

I mean to show you can achieve anything as long as you're willing to afford the cost right. And the cost isn't always financial right, it's time, effort or money. And so anything is possible if you're willing to put the work in. It's not going to be easy. You might not achieve it as fast as someone else, but you can definitely achieve it if you continue to get up after every setback.

Speaker 1:

So let's look at Devin at age 43, 10 years from now. What does your life look like?

Speaker 2:

Honestly, I don't want it to look too much different. Besides, you know, obviously, the growth of the business, but I actually enjoy like working, I enjoy the chaos of business, so I'm not looking to, I'm not one of the entrepreneurs that became an entrepreneur to essentially have complete time freedom. I mean, I have that now but I like being here, right so. But I do have a son on the way and I have a three-year-old daughter, so obviously, incorporating more time with them at that age group, you know we'll definitely be in that plan.

Speaker 1:

That definitely will be that time when they're in their teenage years. Yes A little pleasure talking to you today. So today, I have to say, your story reminds us that adversity doesn't break the strong. It builds them From loss to leadership, from doubt to dominance. You didn't just build a business, you built a mission To connect with you. How do they find you?

Speaker 2:

I think the easiest way to connect with me is just Instagram at Devin Gonzalez. And then, if you go, I mean same thing for our website, but I just created a website as a landing page, essentially for social medias and all that kind of stuff, but it's just DevinGonzalezcom.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. So if this episode moved you, if something he said made you feel that was me, share it like it, send it to someone who needs hope and fire in their heart today, because sometimes all it takes is one voice, one moment, one mindset shift and you can change your entire life. So thank you, devin. It's been a pleasure getting to know you. I love this episode and I love your positivity and I look forward to learning much more about you and I can't wait.

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