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Shine On Success
Shine on Success is a dynamic, story-driven podcast where extraordinary entrepreneurs, visionary leaders, and resilient change-makers share their journeys to success, revealing both the challenges and the strategies that led to their breakthroughs. Each episode offers a unique blend of inspiring personal stories, practical business insights, and actionable advice, allowing our guests to connect with an engaged, growth-oriented audience ready to be motivated and uplifted. By joining us, you’ll not only have the opportunity to showcase your expertise and inspire listeners but also to be part of a powerful platform that celebrates ambition, innovation, and the courage to turn dreams into reality.
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The Thrive Switch: Redefining Success Without Struggle
What if everything you’ve been told about success and motivation is actually holding you back? In this episode of Shine on Success, host Dionne Malush sits down for a powerful conversation about flipping the “Thrive Switch,” a biological state hardwired into us that unlocks creativity, flow, and freedom without the constant grind.
From building wealth and losing it all, to discovering the truth about survival mode, this discussion reveals why working harder isn’t the path forward and how to finally align with the science of thriving. Tune in to learn how to release fear, stress, and resistance so you can step into a life of clarity, fulfillment, and ease.
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What if everything you've been told about success, mindset, motivation, hustle was wrong? Today's guest lost everything. After doing everything right, liam Naden had built wealth, relationships and multiple businesses, only to lose it all and wind up homeless. That's when something clicked. What Liam discovered is that real success doesn't come from working harder or pushing through. It comes from activating what he calls the Thrive switch. It's biological, it's built in and it's the key to getting unstuck and creating success without struggle. He's now a neuroscience-based success coach, international speaker, best-selling author and host of the podcast Let Yourself Off the Hook. Liam lives a life of total freedom, sailing through Europe. Right now he's in Rome while helping others break free from stress, self-sabotage and survival mode. Get ready to learn the science of thriving. Liam, welcome to Shine on Success. How are you today?
Speaker 2:I'm great. Thank you, Dayal. Thank you very much for having me on your show, Dion, I'm sorry I mispronounced your name there.
Speaker 1:People call me names all the time. I'm so stupid you should try Liam. Yeah, okay, I mean it's tough too. So my first question that I always love to ask is what is one thing you want people to know about you that they don't?
Speaker 2:know that they don't know about me. Well, they probably don't know anything about me, but I don't know. I guess that I've always been a seeker, somebody who really wants to find the truth about how we operate, how life operates, and not just what you read in a book that sounds good but doesn't actually work. I've always been someone who's tried out everything, that I've really experimented, really, you know, every book I've read or course I've done, I've really tried the method that people have offered, and that's why it's been my nature is I want to know the truth and I want to see results. I don't want to just say, yes, well, I feel better, and in 20 years time I'm going to get some results. I want to see evidence of things working.
Speaker 1:And you are seeking all over the world, right? I mean, I, just when I jumped on the call I said where do you live? And you're like, well, I don't know. I'm in Italy right now and you know he's traveling everywhere. And it's so amazing because I love what you're doing, I love that you have that freedom. And when I said something above here about the thrive switch, it's biological, it's building, like I couldn't wait to talk to you because of that little bit of you know, information. So tell me this what are some signs that someone's brain is stuck in survival mode? Let some signs that someone's brain is stuck in survival mode.
Speaker 2:Let's start with that. If you've got problems because here's the thing, it's as simple as that, and I know we all think well, problems are natural. Problems are good, you know. They help you grow, they're good for you. Problems that's how you learn.
Speaker 2:I know we've heard all of these things, but none of these are actually true. And the reason they're not true is because they don't help you biologically. Problems don't help you biologically. Problems don't help you biologically. They're not in harmony with your biological nature. And in case we hadn't realized and you know, I spent a long, long time trying to deny this was true. But nature rules, biology rules.
Speaker 2:You know, I was one of those people who thought I can force things to happen. I can say to myself I'm going to set a goal and I'm going to visualize it, I'm going to get clear on it, I'm going to work really hard towards it and I'm going to manifest that goal. But that's like trying to force something. It's a little bit like standing on top of a 10-story building and saying to yourself I'm going to jump off this. No, no, I've set myself a goal, I am determined, I am motivated, I will meditate on it, I will pray, I will change my subconscious mind, I'll repeat my affirmations, I'll have a goals list, I'll do all of these things, I'll practice the law of attraction and I'll make it happen.
Speaker 2:But that's absolutely crazy, isn't it? But we don't realize that's how our life is set up as well. We're designed to be in harmony with nature, not fight against it. And for years I fought against it. And when you fight against something, when you don't do something, naturally you end up with problems, and that's I'm sorry to say. Well, I'm not sorry. It's the truth. The logical truth is problems are the result of doing something wrong. It's the way it works.
Speaker 1:And it makes sense. But I've been taught all of this time to do everything you said was wrong. And so all of the learning, all of the reading, all of the you know, watching the secret, all of these things in my life I thought were helping me. But I have to say to you I'm doing good, but I never did break through where I think I should be right. So when there was a sentence that I thought of, like why does trying harder actually make things worse when we're stuck? So obviously that's what I keep doing I keep trying and keep trying and keep trying, and I'm still stuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, here's the thing, and that's what I did for a long time as well, and I'm slightly older than you. I'm shocked to hear that you're not 27, approach that everyone takes. But you have to be honest, and I had to be honest because when I was, I'd spent decades studying all of the gurus, like Bob Proctor and Tony Robbins and Think and Grow Rich, which I know you mentioned. I studied all of these things and I had all of the courses and I'd been to the seminars and I did all of this, but what I ended up with was a life where I wasn't very happy and I had things on the outside. You know, I was a millionaire, I had a beautiful home, I had multiple businesses. I looked like I was doing well, but on the inside, I was dying because I had all of these problems. I had so much stress and I didn't feel like I was really on the right track. I never had that inner knowing that I was looking for that, you know. Yes, this is what I'm supposed to be doing, and we call it being in the flow. I never felt in the flow. I never felt like things are working well and I'm reaching my potential, and then I ended up losing it all and I became homeless and I had to move in with my elderly mother and sleep on the sofa in the living room in her small apartment. I had nothing, and I thought I was so puzzled by that because I thought I'm an expert on success, I can quote all of the gurus, what they say, what to do, and I've tried all of these things, but I've never really broken through. Not only haven't I broken through, I've lost everything.
Speaker 2:And what actually happened after that was I changed my approach totally, and it wasn't because I had some inspirational insight on what to do differently. I had to change because I kept trying to figure out what to do and I didn't have a clue what to do. I didn't know how to get myself back on my feet and I also didn't know, as I said, why it had happened. So I had to try a different approach, and what I didn't realize at the time was I flipped what I call, as you mentioned in the introduction. I flipped the thrive switch and everything changed in my life. But instead of me chasing after things, things started showing up. You know, before too long I had no money, but a couple of chance quote events meant I suddenly had my own business again. Then I met a new partner and created a much better and healthier relationship. And then I started to do all of these weird things, like travel. You know, we mentioned travel. I've been a nomad for 15 years, not living anywhere, so I started to do all this travel. And then we moved off to Europe and bought a new yacht and all of these things just sort of happened, if you like.
Speaker 2:And I remember once in the Greek islands, sitting and this is a weird situation, but sitting in my own yacht, having had a swim and it's a beautiful bay in the morning off this island, on my own yacht, and I remember getting out of the water and standing there and thinking and saying what's going on here? Because here I am, I've got two businesses that run themselves pretty much from around the world. I run them from my own yacht. I'm here on a new yacht, cruising the Greek islands. What's happened?
Speaker 2:And I thought not only what's happened on the outside, what's happened on the inside, because I finally got that feeling that I've been looking for all those years. I finally got the feeling, you know, life is going so well, I don't have any problems, I don't have any stress, I'm doing things that I love to do. What's going on? And that's when I asked myself I need to find out what's different. Why is it that, when I did all of that work goal setting, motivation, working on my beliefs, working on my thoughts, training myself through all these different techniques that everything just fell apart and I ended up with just so much stress? I had so much stress and so many problems, and now everything's working the way I always wanted it to work, but I'm not setting any goals, I'm not going after anything, I'm not chasing anything. It's like here I am and things.
Speaker 2:I know this sounds a bit woo-woo, but it's not supposed to be, and I can give a biological explanation as to what was happening, because that's what I wanted to find out what really worked, not just some fancy idea. But I thought why is it that I'm not setting any goals, I'm not going after any opportunities, I'm not spending my time trying to learn more information or getting out my goals lists or trying to get clear on what I really want? Why is this all working? And one of the funny things that occurred to me was you know, I never knew this was what I wanted. I never knew this was the life that would make me happy. All of those times that I'd spent getting clear on what I wanted or what I thought I wanted, what would make me happy. This was never there. I had no concept that sailing the world would be what I'd really love to do and helping people by. You know what I do now teaching about how your brain works and how you really get the results in your life, which is different to all of the fancy books.
Speaker 2:So that made me realize that there's something else going on, because if I didn't know what I wanted and I got what I needed and really wanted rather than what I thought I wanted, then maybe there's something different here about this whole idea of getting clear and setting a goal and creating a plan and working hard towards it.
Speaker 2:There's something different going on, and I discovered there was something completely different going on no-transcript years in our homo sapien species, do you know? For 97% of that time we lived completely differently in the sense that we had no stress, we had no problems, disease was very rare, our lifespan was longer, we were stronger, we were healthier, there were no wars, there was no conflict. There's no archaeological or anthropological evidence of any of those things happening. But something changed. So the point was for most of our history we have actually lived that thriving life, and so it is natural it is just like it is for the rest of nature not to live with struggle, stress and problems, but to be based on thriving and flow. That's how we're biologically designed as well, and the only thing different, the only reason we've got all this, we're not living like that is we've forgotten, we've never learned to, we've gone off track about how we're actually operating biologically.
Speaker 1:So interesting because I feel a lot of the things that you're saying, especially when you say that you thought there was more like I feel that I haven't even come close and you know, I keep thinking I'm at the last third of my life and I haven't. You know, I have a company. I have 200 people in our company. We have a real estate agency here in Pittsburgh. We have two hundred people. I love the company, I love the people, but there's something more for me in this life. I know it and you know, if I do the affirmations and I wake up and do the meditation, the things that you're saying, that I'm doing wrong, it's because that's all I've ever known.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So you know, when you were homeless I mean that's a big deal you went from having it all to having nothing. What did homelessness teach you about success? That success never did.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing I mentioned how I was totally confused about why it had happened to me, and as I used to lie on the uncomfortable sofa at night trying to get to sleep, I kept just going around in my head with two questions that were driving me mad, really. The first question was why has this happened to me? Because I'd spent my life trying to make sure that didn't happen. I hadn't been dishonest, but I'd worked so hard to learn about business, to learn about success, and I really put all my effort into building wealth so that I would never be homeless. That was the last thing I ever wanted, and I kept thinking I know all about how to change your thoughts, how to attract what you want, how to get clear on what you want, how to have goals, how to be you know, rewire your subconscious mind, all those things, how to focus and get clear. I'm an expert at that. I've been doing it for years, but this was never on a goals list. This was never a plan. How did this actually happen? So that was the first thing, and of course, it's quite depressing, when you've spent your life building something and worked really hard for not just physically but mentally as well to see it all just collapse literally within a few weeks, which is what happened. But the other question besides, why has this happened to me? Is what do I do now? Because here I was, in a strange town, I didn't know anybody, I had no contacts, I had no money, and so how am I going to get out of this? And I did the usual things. I sat down with all my pieces of paper and took all the information, all the things I'd learned over the years about how to get clear, how to find out what you want, how to find out what you're good at, your strengths, your weaknesses, your values. Work all this stuff out to try and figure out the answer to those questions. Why did it happen to me? What have I done wrong? What's the flaw in my approach? What have I missed out on with my success strategies, if you like and what do I do now? Well, I can plan this, I can work it out, I can, and you know I did this day after day or night after night, and eventually I found the answer to both those questions why it had happened to me and what to do next. You know the funny thing about it the answer was exactly the same for both questions. The answer that I discovered the true answer, why it had happened to me and what to do next was I don't know. I don't know why this has happened to me. I don't know what to do next and what I didn't realize at the time. When I admitted that I didn't know, that I didn't have the answers, I flipped the thrive switch. I changed the way my brain worked and we can explain how and why. If you like.
Speaker 2:Biologically, this is all biological and that's when everything changed. That's when I was in the back of a retail store where I was doing some part-time work and I went out to get a breath of fresh air and a man was standing there who I hadn't seen in 25 years and he said hey, a breath of fresh air. And a man was standing there who I hadn't seen in 25 years and he said hey, liam, he recognized me. He said I don't know what you're doing now, but this is an opportunity for a business that's just come up. It'd be perfect for you. Why don't you set up a business next to where my one is Now? How did that happen? That wasn't on my goals list either. I hadn't figured that out and things just fell into place.
Speaker 2:And that's the point about thriving. That's the point about nature, that's the point about how we and all of the rest of nature are designed. Biologically, we're designed to thrive. We're designed to achieve the best results and to be the best that we can be. And that means mentally, emotionally, spiritually, it means being happy. We're designed to achieve all of that with the minimum amount of effort, with the least resistance, with the most amount of flow.
Speaker 2:Because nature has spent millions of years figuring out one thing that the most important goal of all life is to survive. That's what everything is wired to do, including us. Our body is constantly finding ways or seeking to make sure that we survive because that's how nature carries on is by survival. But then nature has figured out the most efficient way to do that is by thriving. In other words, when you are your best, that gives you the greatest chance for survival and it means you use the least amount of energy to achieve the maximum amount of result. And it all happens without resistance, because if you look anywhere in nature, it doesn't operate efficiently when things are resisting. A stream of water goes down, it doesn't get to a rock and try and force its way through, it just goes around it. Trees don't. If you look at a tree, it's not struggling to grow, it just grows. So nature is built energetically on efficiency, the maximum amount of result for the minimum amount of energy.
Speaker 1:And what are we doing?
Speaker 2:We're trying to put all this effort in and struggle and force things to happen. Yes, we're resisting. We're resisting what is, but that's what I gave up. I gave up my resistance and that opened a different part of my brain to take control, and what I call the thriving brain. We actually have four brains. We've got like a family of brains in our head four people, if you like, all doing different things.
Speaker 2:But if we don't know which one is supposed to be in control and how to put that one in control, then it's like any machine. You're going to end up with problems because you're not using it the right way. But we have this thriving part of our brain that I flipped with the Thrive Switch at the time, although I didn't obviously have those words for it and I didn't even know what it was, but that's when everything went the path of least resistance and it's almost like your brain starts saying to you okay, liam, this is what's going to make you happy, this is what's going to make you thrive, this is what's going to make you the best that you can be on every level. I'm going to bring it to you and I've always been there to bring it to you. You just need to stop getting in the way. You've got to stop blocking it, if you like, by using a different part of your brain which does block it, and that's really how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 2:And sometimes we have these moments where things go well and we think, oh, how did I meet that person? You know the person we marry, for instance, or have a relationship with how did I meet them? I don't know how that happened, we didn't plan it. But good things do happen to us occasionally and we put it down to.
Speaker 2:We don't see it in the same context as we're busy working on our goals and trying to figure out what we want and have strategies and plans, and meanwhile these things happen to us, which are usually good, sometimes bad if we're not using our brain right and we just go oh, that's a lucky break, well, that's a bit of coincidence. Or, wow, that was fancy. Meeting you, you know, and then marrying them, or whatever. We don't realize there's a biological principle behind all of this. It's the way nature works. It's the way nature has to work and we're dysfunctional because we've forgotten how to do it. We've forgotten how to do what we did. For 97% of our history we didn't have these issues, but something changed and now we're in the state of struggle.
Speaker 1:So how do you come up with the name? The Thrive Switch? Is it something like you can flip on and off, or what is that exactly?
Speaker 2:Well, basically, it refers to a biological state that you have, what I call the thriving state. And the thriving state is actually your natural state. It's because it's the state in which you survive best, if you like. It's when you are physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually at your best. It's like that flow state. That's your thrive state and it's activated by a part of your brain, biological part of your brain, that I call the thriving brain. And when you do that, you access all of the things that you need to thrive, to be your best, and they include your creativity, your imagination, your awareness, your instinct, and this is all instinctual. It's the. You know.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you've been working on a problem for a long time and you put all this energy in to try and find an answer or to make a decision, and you can't. No matter how much information you have and how hard you try, you can't find the answer to a problem. And then you're doing something else and all of a sudden you get this idea and you go. That's the answer. And you say to yourself something interesting. You say why didn't I think of that before? It's because a different part of your brain has the answers to all of the questions you're asking, not your thinking brain. Your thinking brain is another part of your brain. It's not designed to come up with the answers to what you should do with your life. That's in your thriving brain. That's where you get your inspiration.
Speaker 2:If you talk to any musician, composer or artist, I enjoy watching interviews with songwriters and they're often asked where did you get the idea for that tune? You know what they all say I don't know. I don't know where it came from. It just came to me. So it didn't come from your thoughts and your efforts did it. It came from somewhere else, and this somewhere else, this inspired life, this inspired state, that's the way we live for 97% of history and that's the way we're naturally, biologically, designed to live. Now we're not designed to try and figure stuff out and struggle.
Speaker 2:So when you flip the Thrive Switch, which I have in my upcoming book how to Do this and it's not difficult, it's very, very simple but when you actually do that, you open up all of these resources to yourself and you start to act in a different way. You see things you never saw before, you see opportunities, you get ideas and you start to find yourself motivated to do the things that really make a difference in your life. Because here's the thing about being stuck. You know I had businesses and I was. I don't know if you can relate to this, but a lot of people can and you have the success but you hate it or you're not enjoying it and what's stopping you from saying I should just close the business or sell it or go and do something else? Or what's stopping you is fear. You're worried that what am I going to do next? Am I going to pay?
Speaker 1:my bill Right.
Speaker 2:But if you knew there was a part of your brain that says look, I'm there to show you what to do next, but I'm not going to show you 20 steps down the way. Now, what are you going to do? You're going to have a lot more confidence and you're going to say, wow, I wonder what's showing up in my life today. You're not going to be worried about the future, because worrying about the future comes from a different part of your brain, the worry part that's got to know what's going to happen and it has to work it all out. Your thriving brain doesn't operate in that way. It brings you the information, the ideas, when you need it, and when you usually need it is right before you're supposed to use it. You don't need to know the next 20 steps. You don't need to know what the ultimate goal is, because, when you think about it, that's not biologically efficient, that's not the most efficient way to make you thrive, because if someone had said to me when I was lying on my mother's sofa, what's going to make you really happy, liam is sailing around the world in your own yacht and sharing all this information that you're going to learn about how your brain works and how we're designed to thrive and problems are actually optional and you're going to share it with people all over the world.
Speaker 2:And if I'd managed to figure that out, I would have said that's absolutely insane. For two reasons. One is I would have thought I could never do that. I don't know how to sail a yacht around the world and teaching about the brain. Give me a breaker. You know I don't want to do that. I'd be no good at it. So the first thing I would have said was I can't do that. And the second thing I would have said was I don't even know that's what I want. How do I know that's what I want? So what I would have done is I would have started to analyze, question, doubt, seek more information. I would have said to myself hang on a moment, I need to make sure that that is what I want, and that is, that I can do it before I take any action.
Speaker 2:So what are you doing? You're wasting a lot of energy, you're not being biologically efficient. So that's why your brain doesn't show you what you need and what you're supposed to do until you're supposed to do it. And then, when you know, when you're in the right brain state. You do it with confidence, you're not worried, you're not hanging on to expectation. You're not worried. You're not hanging on to expectation, you're not thinking well, if I do that, what's going to happen? Well, that might be the wrong thing to do. You just get in this instinctual flow where everything, you just do it and you become super productive and you do all those things and then you realize this is the way nature works. This is so efficient. This is biologically efficient because my brain is just showing me the very next thing to do and it's because I'm in that particular brain state. I'm actually doing it without fear, worry or hesitation. That's obviously the most efficient way to make sure that I thrive and that's the way you're designed. That's the way your brain is designed to work, not to be busy making plans.
Speaker 2:And I know people say well, you've got a plan. Not really, I don't plan anything really. I mean, if I want to go on a trip, I'm going on a trip later in the week. Of course I had to plan where to get the airfares and the flights and the accommodation and how to get to the airport. Of course you need it for that, but in terms of trying to figure out where I need to be next year or next week or in five years' time. I can't possibly know.
Speaker 2:And I've talked to so many successful people people who, for instance, had successful businesses and I asked them the question how did you manage to create such success in your life? And you know, if they're really honest, what they say. They say I don't really know. Actually, I just sort of it just sort of happened. I mean, I took the next step and then something showed up and I did that and that's the only explanation. And, of course, it's the only explanation. That's the biological explanation of how things work. So we need to start understanding this and using it, rather than living in this fearful state of, oh I need to know what I should be doing and figure it all out. That's not biologically efficient and it doesn't get you results. It didn't for me.
Speaker 1:Amazing what you're saying. So how do you get in this space? Is there a daily habit that you do? But you don't really have habits or goals, right. So how do you stay in that thrive state?
Speaker 2:Well, what you have to do, and I've got some very easy ways to. I mean, it's a little bit like saying how do you lose weight? You know if you go to, if you want to lose weight. It's very simple. Doing it is not so easy because you've got to undo a lifetime of habits, and we've got to undo a lifetime of habits for the way we're using our brain. That's causing all the problems. That's caused all the problems for the last 10,000 years. But essentially it comes down to this Once you understand and this is what I teach is a little bit of understanding, not too technical, but you need to understand a little bit because it's not just about do something and then you get this instant result because you never do something fully and properly unless you understand enough of it to know that it's probably going to work.
Speaker 2:Now it's a little bit like somebody says well, what tends to happen is, for instance, with a motor car. You say to somebody I don't know, you know, your son comes in, who's age 10, and says can I borrow the car to go and visit a friend? And you say, well, you don't know how to drive it, you can't borrow the car. He says I know I need to learn how to drive it, but just give me a quick fix. Tell me exactly how to do it now, in five seconds, just to get me to visit my friend that I want to go and see and take the car, and then I'll learn later. And you say that's not the way it works. You need to develop a habit. You need to understand how the car works, how you drive it, and have a bit of practice before you get any good at it. I can't just give you a five-second explanation and then off you go and your life changes, or in that case, you're driving the car. So it requires a bit of understanding.
Speaker 2:What I find is everything that I've been saying we've been talking about. I'm sure on a certain level people are listening and thinking. You know that makes a lot of sense. This actually resonates, I've found, with people. It's not just this theoretical idea that, yeah, set goals. On one level, I'm sure people, if you're listening, you would think there's something that feels right about this. There's something that makes logical sense. So when you get a little bit more into understanding this, it more and more makes logical sense that it's all about allowing your biological self to actually do its job like it does in the rest of nature.
Speaker 2:You know we cut our finger. You have a cut on your finger Now. You don't sit there and go, oh, I need to visualize it, healing, and I need to write down my goals of healing and I need to focus on and meditate on it for two hours a day. You don't do that. You just know that the way it works. There's an intelligence within you and within your finger. Obviously, that's just going to make it work in the most efficient way. You don't need to think about it, you don't need to worry about it, it's just going to happen.
Speaker 2:So when you start to develop an understanding of how your brain works in relation to nature, it's the same thing. You stop worrying about it, you stop worrying whether it's going to work. You just know that it is because that's the way. It's so logical. And then you start to get an experience of it working. You know you start with something small and you get a new idea that you've never had before. You do something different or you meet somebody and instead of dismissing it, you go oh, I can feel it. I don't think it, I feel it's working. And then it sort of snowballs and eventually that's the way you live and you think, going back to the old way of trying to figure it all out and get worried about what I should be doing. That's you know. It just doesn't make any sense. But, in short, it's about developing and that's why I've created the Thrive Switch. And remember, this is natural, we're supposed to be able to do this naturally, it's not supposed to be difficult, but it's about getting into that thriving state.
Speaker 2:And here's a little clue about how it works. How it doesn't work is when you feel fear. If you have fear, stress, worry, anxiety, if you're worried about what you're supposed to be doing, if you're worried that you're doing the right or the wrong thing, if you're worried if you're ever going to reach your goals, if you're ever going to have a fulfilling life, that switches off your thrive state, your thriving brain. Because your thriving brain is instinctual, but in a good way it's going to show you what to do in every moment. But the minute you feel fear, you literally block it. And we haven't got time to talk about the biology of why that works.
Speaker 2:But you literally have these two brain states. One is fear, stress, worry, anxiety, frustration, anger, and the other is thriving. The other is allowing, being proactive, and that doesn't mean sitting in a corner and doing nothing and just things showing up. It means being super productive, super engaged. You do a lot more because you're excited about life. When we're excited about something and fulfilled, we don't think of it as work or effort, we just do it because it just feels so great. So all of that, you find yourself doing a lot more, being a lot more productive and a lot more you get a lot more out of life.
Speaker 2:So, but fear is going to block it. And this is why, if you read in the Bible, every spiritual teaching throughout history has taught us one thing and that is and it says in the Bible 365 times be not afraid. Now, that's not a good idea, it's an instruction because when you are afraid and it says have faith, believe, trust, all those things, because that's your thriving brain when you're afraid, worried, stressed, all of those things, you're blocking that. So God, if you like in the Bible, is saying look, you're here to thrive, you're here to be your best. If you look around the rest of nature, everything's there to be its best, including you. But the way you do it is just not to activate part of your brain that's based on fear. Instead, just allow it to happen. So that's the key, really. But to get to that point, of course, we need to understand more how it works, and we need to understand also, we need to have an experience of it working as well and then we can start to really, if you like, trust and allow it to happen.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:So I have one last question before we go is share with me a surprising transformation you've seen in someone that used your thrive switch formula well, I've done a lot of marriage and relationship coaching and what I realized and helping people who've got real problems in their marriage and what I realized when I started to study patterns is it's not the relationship that's the problem, it's the person's own fear. When you're in a relationship and you're afraid, you act in all the wrong ways, don't you? You know you're not open in a relationship and you're afraid, you act in all the wrong ways, don't you? You're not open in a relationship and you make lots of mistakes and you say things that are wrong and you're always worried and it's like you're on eggshells. But when you're just yourself and the clue to that to know that is when you were like you were when you first got into a relationship you know that you can just be yourself and then you're the best version of yourself and you do act in a much better way.
Speaker 2:So what I've often seen with people in their relationships is when they're really struggling, if they get over this fear that they have about their relationship. Oh, my husband wants a divorce and that would be so terrible because I don't know what I'd do without him. I could never find anyone else's as good. My children would be really badly effective. I won't have any money, I won't know what to do. They're all fears. So what we need to learn to do is to flip the thrive switch so you don't have those fears. And instead of saying, oh, I'll never find anyone else, you say, and you know well, I could easily find someone else who would be better. But he's not the only person in the world. And if he really wants to leave, well, what can I do to stop him? I'm going to be okay, the children are going to be okay, everything's going to be okay. And the people I've helped who've done this admittedly it's not a big percentage of people, because most people aren't prepared to put in the little bit of effort to understand how it works and then to apply it but the people who have amazing things happen One of two things you know, if they're in a really bad situation in their marriage either they heal their marriage, they go to their wife or husband and say, all right, if you want to leave, I really understand. I think it's sad, but I really respect your decision and that's okay. And then they become happier and more themselves. And then the husband or wife says maybe I'm making a mistake because our relationship's been full of drama and hate for the last few years, but now they're actually acting like they used to, like the person I love. Maybe I'm making the wrong decision, or they do end the relationship and they go on and find somebody else.
Speaker 2:And the number of people who contact me and say hey, liam. And I always smile when I get an email that says hi, liam, just touching base, this is someone I've been helping. You won't believe what's happened to me. When they start that email and then they tell me they've met somebody else and they say something oh, I'm just so much happier than I ever was. Why did I struggle, trying to force that relationship to work when it was no longer right? Or, you know, why did I not believe that I could find someone else? Your brain is going to take care of you. That's what it's designed to do, but you need to stop blocking it. And it's the floor with nobody loving you. It's biologically not the way it's designed to work. It's designed to bring you what you need to be your best. So a couple of examples like that it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:It's been so powerful and I really feel like I cannot wait to learn more from you, because I think this is the perfect, perfectly timed. Why are you here today? There's a reason. So you're flipping the script on what it means to be successful and you're showing me right now that you can have peace, clarity and purpose. You know so. We don't have to earn those, we activate them. I love that. So to our listeners, if this episode has helped you, please like, subscribe or share it if you know someone that needs it.
Speaker 2:And for Liam, how can our audience find you and learn more? Well, my book is called the Thrive Switch and it's still in development at the moment, but if you'd like to sign up and learn more about that book, which tells us why we went wrong 12,000 years ago and nobody else has ever talked about this, but we had this sudden. You know we're going along perfectly happily and then suddenly bang, something really pulled humans off track and brought disease and famine and war that didn't exist before. So it's all on. If you'd like to find out about when that book's released, just go to thethriveswitchcom, or you can go to my website, liamnaydencom, and actually at the moment I've got an interesting quiz, a really short quiz you can take which tells you which part of your brain is running your life. Is it your thriving part or is it this other part that I call the survival brain? So you can find that on my website. It's all obviously free, liamnadencom.
Speaker 1:Great, I'm definitely going to hang. When we're done today. I'm going to go do the quiz. It was a pleasure meeting you. Thank you so much for being on Shine on Success. I look forward to getting to know you even better.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having.
